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    I don't know about what Paterno did. It seems like he just reported it up the Athletic Dept. chain and left it at that. That looks really bad, imo. Maybe that's all that is legally required, but, especially when it seems from reports that PSU more or less buried the situation, he may have had a moral obligation to do more (at least I think so).

    I think Paterno should retire. The mediocre performance of the football team is one thing but this is much, much worse.

    The bizarre aspect that makes me say this is that Paterno allegedly found out in 2002, when Sandusky was no longer associated with the program - why would you think this was a Penn State matter as opposed to a criminal matter? It makes it look like PSU covered up the incident and determined not to report it to the police. Why? Wouldn't you tell the GA to go to the police if that's what he saw? This whole thing fails the smell test.

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    Paterno arranged a meeting between the person (grad student) who made the claimed and his direct supervisor (the AD, Tim Curley) and the VP of finance (Gary Schultz). Schultz's office directly oversees campus police. That meeting did happen, and according to several people in the report, Curley and Schultz said they would pursue the matter. What exactly happened at that point is unclear - it sounds like they either didn't follow it up or made a minimal effort. Those two have been indicted because the testified recently that they had never heard anything when several others (including the former grad student involved) testified that the report and meeting had occurred.

    So Paterno followed up through both the administrative chain and the legal chain.

    Given how serious this story is, and how little we know at this point, I'd suggest everyone who doesn't know what is going on to keep their mouths (and keyboards) shut. Speculating, and even worse throwing wrong information out here, will not do anyone any good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBloodLion View Post
    Given how serious this story is, and how little we know at this point, I'd suggest everyone who doesn't know what is going on to keep their mouths (and keyboards) shut.
    Good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBloodLion View Post
    So Paterno followed up through both the administrative chain and the legal chain.

    Given how serious this story is, and how little we know at this point, I'd suggest everyone who doesn't know what is going on to keep their mouths (and keyboards) shut. Speculating, and even worse throwing wrong information out here, will not do anyone any good.
    Wow! Re read what you just posted. Seriously, I am hoping that none of this is true. But either way, put yourself in either the little boy's situation or the dad of the little boy. It reads like you are more concerened about PSU than the kid. I am hoping you didn't mean it that way because I hope you aren't a jackass. I agree, let's let the facts come out before passing judgement. But the way you posted sounds like you are defending a university over a child. Again, I hope you didn't mean it that way.

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    2 top officials step down amid Penn St sex scandal

    By GENARO ARMAS, Associated Press 3 hours, 18 minutes ago











    STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP)?Two top Penn State officials charged with covering up allegations of an explosive child-sex abuse scandal related to former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky stepped down late Sunday after an emergency meeting of the university?s Board of Trustees.
    Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley requested to be placed on administrative leave so he could devote the time needed to defend himself against perjury and other charges, university President Graham Spanier said. Gary Schultz, vice president for finance and business, will step down and go back into retirement, Spanier said. He declined to comment to reporters after the meeting.


    This undated photo provided by the Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General shows Jerry Sandusky, who was arrested on charges that he sexually abused eight young men.
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    Resignations of famed football coach Joe Paterno and Spanier weren?t discussed at the meeting, which was arranged Sunday and lasted two hours, university spokesman Bill Mahon said.
    Curley and Schultz were charged Saturday after a grand jury investigation of Sandusky. He?s been charged with sexually abusing eight boys over 15 years. Lawyers for all three men have said they?re innocent.
    Sandusky, once considered Paterno?s heir apparent, retired in 1999 but continued to use the school?s facilities for his work with The Second Mile, a foundation he established to help at-risk kids. Curley and Schultz were accused of failing to alert police?as required by state law?of their investigation of the allegations.
    ?This is a case about a sexual predator who used his position within the university and community to repeatedly prey on young boys,? state Attorney General Linda Kelly said Saturday.
    Paterno, who last week became the coach with the most wins in Division I football history, wasn?t charged, and the grand jury report didn?t appear to implicate him in wrongdoing.
    In a statement issued Sunday night, Paterno said he was shocked, saddened and as surprised as everyone else to hear of the charges.
    ?If this is true we were all fooled, along with scores of professionals trained in such things, and we grieve for the victims and their families. They are in our prayers,? Paterno said in a statement issued by his son, Scott.
    Under Paterno?s four-decades-and-counting stewardship, the Nittany Lions became a bedrock in the college game, and fans packed the stadium in State College, a campus town routinely ranked among America?s best places to live and nicknamed Happy Valley. Paterno?s teams were revered both for winning games? including two national championships?and largely steering clear of trouble. Sandusky, whose defenses were usually anchored by tough-guy linebackers?hence the moniker ?Linebacker U??spent three decades at the school. The charges against him cover the period from 1994 to 2009.
    Sandusky, 67, was arrested Saturday and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts. Curley, 57, and Schultz, 62, are expected to turn themselves in on Monday in Harrisburg.
    Curley was named athletic director on Dec. 30, 1993. Senior Associate Athletic Director Mark Sherburne will serve as interim athletic director until Curley?s legal situation is resolved, board Chairman Steve Garban said.
    Schultz served as senior vice president and treasurer from 1993 to 2009. He returned to the job this year to fill in until someone else could be found. The Board of Trustees named a child care center on campus after him in January 2010.
    The allegations against Sandusky, who started The Second Mile in 1977, range from sexual advances to touching to oral and anal sex. The young men testified before a state grand jury that they were in their early teens when some of the abuse occurred; there is evidence even younger children may have been victimized. Sandusky?s attorney Joe Amendola said his client has been aware of the accusations for about three years and has maintained his innocence.
    When Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno (right) first learned of one report of Jerry Sandusky's abuse he immediately reported it to the school's athletic director, prosecutors said.
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    ?He?s shaky, as you can expect,? Amendola told WJAC-TV after Sandusky was arraigned. ?Being 67 years old, never having faced criminal charges in his life and having the distinguished career that he?s had, these are very serious allegations.?
    A preliminary hearing scheduled for Wednesday would likely be delayed, Amendola said. Sandusky is charged with multiple counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, corruption of minors, endangering the welfare of a child, indecent assault and unlawful contact with a minor, as well as single counts of aggravated indecent assault and attempted indecent assault.
    In a statement, The Second Mile said that to ?our knowledge, all the alleged incidents occurred outside of our programs and events.? The group also said it was never made aware of the allegations against Sandusky in the grand jury report.
    The first case to come to light was a boy who met Sandusky when he was 11 or 12, the grand jury said. The boy received expensive gifts and trips to sports events from Sandusky, and physical contact began during his overnight stays at Sandusky?s home, jurors said. Eventually, the boy?s mother reported the allegations of sexual assault to his high school, and Sandusky was banned from the child?s school district in Clinton County in 2009. That triggered the state investigation that culminated in charges Saturday.
    Sandusky told The Second Mile in 2008 that he was being investigated on the allegations from the boy in Clinton County, the foundation said.
    ?Although he maintained there was no truth to the claims, we are an organization committed first and foremost to the safety and well-being of the children we serve. Consistent with that commitment and with The Second Mile policy, we immediately made the decision to separate him from all of our program activities involving children,? The Second Mile said late Sunday in an email. ?Thus, from 2008 to present, Mr. Sandusky has had no involvement with Second Mile programs involving children.?
    But the report also alleges much earlier instances of abuse and details failed efforts to stop it by some who became aware of what was happening.
    Another child, known only as a boy about 11 to 13, was seen by a janitor pinned against a wall while Sandusky performed oral sex on him in fall 2000, the grand jury said.
    And in 2002, Kelly said, a graduate assistant saw Sandusky sexually assault a naked boy, estimated to be about 10 years old, in a team locker room shower. The grad student and his father reported what he saw to Paterno, who immediately told Curley, prosecutors said.
    Curley and Schultz met with the graduate assistant about a week and a half later, Kelly said.
    ?Despite a powerful eyewitness statement about the sexual assault of a child, this incident was not reported to any law enforcement or child protective agency, as required by Pennsylvania law,? Kelly said.
    There?s no indication that anyone at school attempted to find the boy or follow up with the witness, she said.
    Curley denied that the assistant had reported anything of a sexual nature, calling it ?merely `horsing around,?? the 23-page grand jury report said. But he also testified that he barred Sandusky from bringing children onto campus and that he advised Spanier of the matter.
    The grand jury said Curley was lying, Kelly said, adding that it also deemed portions of Schultz?s testimony not to be credible.
    Schultz told the jurors he also knew of a 1998 investigation involving sexually inappropriate behavior by Sandusky with a boy in the showers the football team used.
    But despite his job overseeing campus police, he never reported the 2002 allegations to any authorities, ?never sought or received a police report on the 1998 incident and never attempted to learn the identity of the child in the shower in 2002,? the jurors wrote. ?No one from the university did so.?
    The board chairman said Sunday that he would appoint a task force to conduct an independent review of the university?s policies and procedures related to the protection of children.
    University representatives released a statement from Spanier on Saturday calling the allegations against Sandusky ?troubling? and adding that Curley and Schultz had his unconditional support.
    He predicted they will be exonerated.
    ?I have known and worked daily with Tim and Gary for more than 16 years,? Spanier said. ?I have complete confidence in how they handled the allegations about a former university employee.?
    Sandusky, once considered a potential successor to Paterno, drew up the defenses for the Nittany Lions? national-title teams in 1982 and 1986. The team is enjoying another successful run this season; at 8-1, Penn State is ranked No. 16 in the AP Top 25 and is the last undefeated squad in Big Ten play. The Nittany Lions were off Saturday.
    As the head football coach, Paterno has spent years cultivating a reputation for putting integrity ahead of modern college-sports economics. It?s a notion that has benefited Penn State?s marketing and recruiting efforts over the decades and one that the Big Ten school?s alumni proudly tout years after they leave.
    Scolforo reported from Harrisburg.
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    As horrible as this is...it isn't Penn State Wrestling.

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    Who knows who knew what and when. One thing I do know is that the ball was dropped completely by someone or multiple someones. By following your "chain of command" AT WORK and not going to the police the person or persons let more kids be raped by this jackass. If I see someone or someone tells me of a rape at work. I call the police first, then go to my boss and tell him what is going on and that the police are on the way. My boss may not like it but that's okay because I am doing what is moral and right.

    There is a moral responsibility to children here that was sidestepped for the sake of Penn St's reputation. I don't know where the ball was dropped or who dropped it, but this is one carry that needed to be taken all the way. Multiple lives have possibly been ruined because people took the wrong action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badcat View Post
    As horrible as this is...it isn't Penn State Wrestling.
    Never said it was . this guy started a program for AT RISK kids -typical predator behavior-find victims no one will believe . I agree with Herk-society owes a special amount of protection for those who cannot helpp themselves. The elderly and the handicapped and the children . Now if this man is innocent i'll write him a letter of apology . If guilty the Pa, authorities may call on me to torture the perv .
    You know, I think I would rather be a man than a god . We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.

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    What ESPN & the media fail to realize is that Schultz was in charge of the "Campus Police". They have jurisdiction over the University. They are not rent-a-cops as some would believe. When Joepa went to Schultz with this he was basically going to the "Chief of Police". And when Jeremy Schapp on ESPN, says that JoePa did not go tot the police that is just shoddy reporting. Basically anyone could have told him who Schultz was but obviously he didn't bother to find out.

    On that note, it is interesting that Schultz has decided to step down & go back into retirement.

    While that maybe legally handles that sort of obligation for Joepa, for me personally I think that a person has a moral responsibility to carry things out past the legal at times. This is definitely one of those times. I do not know what JoePa or MM did, but I am hoping to find out that it was more than they stated.

    If the allegations are true & if anyone swept this under the rug not only do they need to be gone but they need to suffer the legal consequences for their inability to confront evil. If you are a leader, that is part of your job: being able to spot evil & protect the group from it. That inability without a doubt makes one complicit.

    And even if someone does FOOL you, that doesn't mean you are 100% exonerated. It also means that you have an obligation to spot your own blindness & fix it so that it doesn't happen again & fix the damage caused by one's own inability or worse yet, one's unwillingness to see.

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