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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stplace View Post
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    I expect Brown to have a nice season next year but some of this is starting to border on ridiculous.
    He must have the wrong singlet on. The kid gives Ruth his closest match of the year and comes in second in the Scuffle; beats Storley in the process as well as Henderson from Missouri; beats two decent B1G 197s while giving away 20 pounds; goes 27-2 on the year (Sheptock from Maryland being the other loss in December) - and he can't get any respect as a contender for next year. Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Eisenhauer View Post
    He must have the wrong singlet on. The kid gives Ruth his closest match of the year and comes in second in the Scuffle; beats Storley in the process as well as Henderson from Missouri; beats two decent B1G 197s while giving away 20 pounds; goes 27-2 on the year (Sheptock from Maryland being the other loss in December) - and he can't get any respect as a contender for next year. Go figure.
    Youre coming off kinda like a doofus homer here. People dont have to think hes the clear number one to think a guys good.

    Ive been plenty complimentary of Brown and have said hes going to be a stud, but we dont have to blindly believe that he was the clear number 2 this year. Especially given his loss to non aa Sheptock. Nobody is denying him any respect outside of the strawman argument you created.
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    It's not really a strawman argument. It's just the facts about his season. He *might* have been the second best 174 this past season, we'll never know. But I think you have to put him in the mix for next year, especially since this year was his first year back wrestling after a few years off. The loss in December at the Nittany Lion Open I view as an early season aberration.

    There was nothing wrong with your post, but the one I quoted was a bit extreme. "(a) nice season" sounds dismissive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Brown will be in the conversation.
    The above is VA's comment from the thread, "Next Year's Champs".

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    You can believe that Brown will be in the conversation without believing him to be the clear #2. Where do you get the idea that Brown is being disrespected? Name another 2011 bench-warmer that's gotten as much love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBloodLion View Post
    The above is VA's comment from the thread, "Next Year's Champs".
    As I said, I had no problem with Vais' post. I remembered his earlier post and agree that "calm down" might have been warranted. But to me, thinking Brown will be a top contender next year seems a lot more reasonable than a lot of other stuff that gets floated around here. The tone of "a nice season" is a lot different than what Vais has posted. And I don't think it's "ridiculous". under all the circumstances, to think Brown may have been the second best 174 this past season. It's far from certain, but not outside the realm of possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Eisenhauer View Post
    As I said, I had no problem with Vais' post. I remembered his earlier post and agree that "calm down" might have been warranted. But to me, thinking Brown will be a top contender next year seems a lot more reasonable than a lot of other stuff that gets floated around here. The tone of "a nice season" is a lot different than what Vais has posted. And I don't think it's "ridiculous". under all the circumstances, to think Brown may have been the second best 174 this past season. It's far from certain, but not outside the realm of possibility.
    I'm not looking to get into a pissing contest here so this will be my last post on this subject. I consider a nice season being an AA, so if you think me expecting him to be an AA is an insult then I am fine with that. I think people saying that he is the second best in the country by beating a true freshman 7-5 who improved by a country mile by the time NCAAs rolled around is a bit much. He didn't wrestle a starters schedule and didn't meet several of the top wrestlers in the country at 174. Him losing "relatively" close to a guy he sees in the room everyday has its own flaws as an argument that I won't get into. Brown had a GREAT year and I expect him to do well but the hype surrounding a somewhat unknown is starting to border on ridiculous.

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    Steve--I'm a PSU fan like you and I'm very high on Brown. But we have to admit that he's still a relative unknown until he has more college matches. He's had some good wins and I think everyone who has posted on the board acknowledges that he should be in the mix talking about guys next year. But let's not overhype him. I don't think it does Brown any favors building up too big of a reputation too early. Let's let him earn it with a full season on the mat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    You can believe that Brown will be in the conversation without believing him to be the clear #2. Where do you get the idea that Brown is being disrespected? Name another 2011 bench-warmer that's gotten as much love.
    kinda have to wait and see what weight Caldwell goes too.
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