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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    What could Paterno have done?

    1. Follow up with Gary Schultz, repeatedly
    I think this is very important. As of now, I don't think any of us know what the response from Shultz to Paterno and especially McQueary (since he was the witness), was at that time. He said in his deposition (about 8 years later) that he believed "nothing criminal had happened", but i would really like to know what he said then. I also can't believe that Paterno is being crucified and not Schultz. It was Shultz's job to drive the investigation. I don't care if he heard rape or "horsing around", he should have driven the most thorough investigation possible. From all accounts, it appears he didn't. I vote him villian #2, yet no one is saying a word.
    2. Contact the police directly if not happy with Schultz's replies
    See above - though again, several lawyers have indicated that he couldn't do much with the police since he wasn't a witness.
    3. Sit down with Sandusky to discuss
    The reality of this being useful at all is basically zero.
    4. Follow up with kids who Sandusky had contact with
    And say what? Run around town saying you think he is a child rapist? You just can't do this
    5. Suspend Sandusky, remove him from the campus
    The AD (and university president) were the ones with authority to do this, and they sort of did. I emphasize sort of because is was only a partial attempt, but again, we are all limited as to what we can do in response to rumor.
    or, 6. Do the minimum possible communication and not follow-up, like Paterno. A first-year coach on his first day on the job could have done as much as Paterno.

    I understand the Psych 201 stuff and I don't agree with the application here. The best way to describe KR's counterargument would be "ad hominem".
    Agreed. While it may be accurate, I don't think I would have gone down that path either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    The Paterno situation is pretty simple. All you have to do is ask one question. Do you think Paterno would have done more if McCready [edit - McQueary]told him that the boy he saw Sandusky raping was Paterno's grandson? If you think Paterno wouldn't have done more than he did for the actual kid, then okay. If you think he would have followed up and made sure something was being done if it were his grandson, then okay.

    Quinn, I understand your point, and as the most interesting man on the planet, it carries some weight.
    However, by that logic, any time you hear about someone raping a woman, you have to imagine that is was your wife, and then you go and beat his skull in.
    I think everyone, in the end, would agree that what we have to do is not that. Instead, we have to allow the legal system to try to do its job. It is very painful when that fails, and yes, after the fact, if we find out that the system failed then we might feel like we should have done more at the time, but we can't operate with hindsight all the time.

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    Looking forward to it!
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    Get back on track with wrestling and let Paterno lie where he deserves.

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    Is David Taylor a mormon? Not that it matters, just curious. I know Cael is and I thought they might have known eachother through their faith back when David lived in the west.

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    David lived in the "west"? I realize he was born in Nevada, but thought he grew up in Ohio (which is west from me, but not very westy...)

    How long did he live in Reno?

    I also wouldn't have picked Reno for being a bastion of Mormonality, but I admit that I am basing that on one episode of Reno 911!

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