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Re: Folkstyle Rules
Funk is an interesting term that is not defined all that well. It can mean a number of things. Often it is used at high school level to score easier on an inferior opponent than doing the traditional heavy hips, push the head down, then go around. It is also flashy and so younger wrestlers have greater appreciation for it. As wrestlers advance into college wrestling and freestyle they don't do the traditional baseline defense and suffer the consequences. However those that do the baseline defense first and work the funk second after establishing a superior position over the shooter will experience success. This is when I would say funk is good, literally for the sport, and you can see it from some of the best in both college and freestyle. Wrestlers who are able to do this tend to put opponents on their back more often- the purpose of wrestling. In college, Askren, Jaggers, and Herbert are great examples, although they all do it differently (Jaggers went after cradles and Herbert and Askren sought to split the legs in arm and leg turks from what I remember). In freestyle, Satiev has a bit of this "smart" funkiness and others I have watched although I don't know the internationals names that well. And for older folks, Randy Lewis had his own unique brand of funk and was a crowd pleaser.
To address your original post
1) The toes in bounds rule is a great addition to folkstyle and should be followed at the high school level but is not. Officials at the NCAA tournament are very good and know what wrestlers are thinking, they will call stalling if you go to the edge of the mat too much, however they are also careful not to decide matches. The 2009 125 pounds final you mention is more a problem of stalling in the middle and little action, due to neither wrestler wanting to make "the mistake," understandable considering what's at stake. Sometimes that cannot be avoided, how can you encourage wrestlers to take risks when a national title is on the line?
2) I agree the point system in collegiate wrestling is illogical, meaning they are not clearly defined. In freestyle, one point for takedown, two points for back exposure, three for back exposure from the feet, and end of period for high amplitude or whatever it is called. Folkstyle you get one point for riding time, one point for escape, two for takedown, two for exposure, three for five count--- there is no clear hierarchy as there should be. I think there should be a point for escapes especially for short time because that means you earned it by fighting off turns, because the opponent isn't letting you go with 10 seconds unless they are an idiot. However back points should be double that of what takedowns are. Thus 4 points instead of two. Maybe you shouldn't get any unless you get a five count and I'm uncertain about riding time.
3) I think funk where you get stuck on your back for over two seconds is "bad" funk. But sometimes it works. Cael Sanderson talked a few years ago about instituting a rule that prevents this and scores a takedown if you lay or get stuck on your back while holding a leg. Probably not a bad idea.
Matt Gentry told me something similar at Canadian nationals a few years back. Says American wrestlers are working "funky" defences at the expense of traditional defenses, such as sprawling and heavy hips, that also work in freestyle.
Originally Posted by arm-spin
Of course for people who don't are about freestyle sucess, it doesn't matter how a technique transfers over.[/quote]
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