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    1. Dustin Schlatter
    2. Gregor Gillespie
    3. Mike Poeta
    4. Jordan Leen
    5. JP O'Connor
    6. Dan Vallimont
    7. Cyler Sanderson
    8. Adam Hall

    It was requested, and here it is. Before this is discounted as the biased Gopher fan in me talking take a look at Dustin's history with the guys at this weight. 2-0 against defending champion Leen including a near major in the Scuffle finals two years ago. 2-0 against Sanderson including a near major the first time they wrestled. He's got a win (albeit also a loss) over O'Connor. Then granted the Vallimont we saw last year was a much improved version of the one we before Dustin laid an absolute beating on him the one time they wrestled beating him 15-4. This isn't even to mention the wins that he had last year including Burroughs, Palmer, two wins over Adam Hall, and two wins over Patacsil including a major. The only name guy at this weight that hes wrestled and hasn't beaten is Gillespie.

    While I won't deny that I'd love to see these two meet up in the finals to cap off their careers as I like both guys (and have Dustin avenge the loss) and this may be coloring my pick, Gillespie had an absolutely torrid year last year. Last year he had Majors over Moley (also beat him by dec twice), Bowman, and Marsh. He had tech falls over Sherfey, and Zupancic. He pinned Sanderson in 40 seconds, and he beat Matt Kocher four times. He had a loss to Poeta by a point in what was arguably the match of the year, the two point loss to Leen in the quarters, and then a one pointer to Vallimont after he'd beaten him with bonuses two or three times the previous year.

    Poeta was a hair away from taking the title home last year but lost the one pointer to Leen, and given that he's already beaten Gillespie and hasn't wrestled Schlatter its certainly possible that he reverses that result and manages to take it home this year. Last year he beat Craig Henning three times including a pin in the All Star match. He beat Vallimont three times, and then he had the previously mentioned win over Gillespie. His reshots are ludicrously good.

    Leen really could be said to be the surprise of the tournament last year when he ripped off consecutive wins over Gillespie, Zupancic, and Poeta en route to the title. Over the course of the season he also had major decision wins over Bowman and Moley, and then a win over Chandler. He appeared to have dealt pretty well with the problems he had on bottom from two years ago when Gillespie and Schlatter rode him like a mule. How he deals with being the hunted will be interesting, I may be undervaluing him here.

    The reason that I have these two guys ordered the way they are is that I'm pretty sure that O'Connor beat Vallimont two years ago when they were both down at 149. Last year O'Connor had wins over Garrett Scott (albeit up a weight), Palmer, Churella, and Grajales during the year. Then he had wins over Adam Hall, and a revenge win over Dustin Schlatter at NCAA's after he tore his MCL.

    Vallimont is probably underranked here, but it is what it is I guess. Most Improved Wrestler last year was between him and Keddy both guys were leaps and bounds better. Vallimont won his first twenty one matches last year. He had wins over Bowman, Sanderson, two wins over Becker, and then as mentioned a revenge win over Gillespie at NCAA's.

    Sanderson helped validate his big brother's "move everyone up" plan when he improved his round of 12 finish as a freshman with his 7th place finish last year. Last year he beat CP Schlatter, he majored Bowman and Oliver. He also beat Chandler, Hluschak and Moley (twice). He should bang heads with Chandler pretty steady to be the guy in the Big 12 this year. While he beat Chandler last year, Chandler also beat him when he knocked him out of the championship bracket at NCAA's.

    Hall is a guy who slipped under the radar for much of the year last year. He is yet another guy that I've looked at that very well may have AA'd had he not drawn a guy like Dustin Schlatter in the first round of NCAA's. His best wins last year were two matches that he won over Ervin, and a major over Atkinson at NCAA's that avenged a couple losses that he took during the season. He lost to both Schlatter and Burroughs twice but wrestled them both tough each time.

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    I don't think thats a stretch at all. If Dustin is healthy and feels comfortable in his skin at 157, if he still has the same speed and tank I think he has a better than 50% of taking this weight. In fact, I really can't argue against it if his knee is heeled and he still has his speed.
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    Two years ago he was a defending 149 lb. NCAA champion. Now he is the returning 7th placer from 149 lbs. Now, until he shows he has returned to his old form, I think it probably IS a little bit of homecooking. But hey, it's some serious ammo for later on this year to mock you with.
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    Should I turn out to be wrong, I doubt the prediction will be any more mockable than picking Cesar Grajales to make the semi's in the toughest weight class in 10+ years.
    Last edited by JensenS; 10-26-2008 at 03:07 PM.

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    Grajales, Grajales, Grajales...my homeboy from Brandon and part of team BOHICA. I am all for that semi.
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    1) Poeta
    2) Gillespie
    3) Schlatter
    4) Vallimont
    5) Cyler Sanderson
    6) Jordan Leen
    7) JP O'connor
    8) Johnny Bonilla-Bowman

    Im not going to take time to do all the reserach about records and stuff, because Im lazy, and because facts are overated.

    Poeta is the class of this weight pure and simple he was last year and got upset, it happens. He beat gillespie in a great match last year and he was beating older schlatter when CP got hurt (and CP had looked GREAT that year up until then).

    Gillespie lost a very surprising one to Leen last year but he think he is the #2 here. He's so damn tough on top, I just dont think younger schlatter has the offense to beat him at this point.

    Schlatter started off amazing and has constitently gotten worse and worse through his career. NCAA champ with one loss and a ton of bonus. Then ncaa 3rd place with a lot of tight matches. Then NCAA 7th with close matches and several losses including one by fall. Weight and injury problems aside I have to question his head at this point, because he clearly has the talent, but he hasnt seemed to have the drive. His brother was probably one of the most talented 1 time AAs ever and I think Dustin is going to go down as one of the best 1 time champs we've had because I dont see him winning another title.

    Vallimont was the clear #2 for most of last year, in fact did he even lose to anyone other then poeta all year?? However I think that his low paced technical style puts him at a disadvantage against schlatter who is one of the best defensive wrestlers of all time, I think schlatter wins a 3-2 type match on riding time if they meet this year. I also like GGs chance vs dan, although I believe he lost a match to vallimont at ncaas last year

    Cyler has improved by leaps and bounds since he came to ISU, I dont think he will be able to beat these top 4 but after then he is the clear #5 for me.

    Yeah I know, he was a national champ last year, but I just dont see it happening again. Props to him for making it happen, but when I think of fluke I think of Jordan Leen beating Mike Poeta in the ncaa finals. That being said he is a talented wrestler and I think he'll find the podium again this year

    If I reme\mber right oconnor might have been the only guy from harvard who actually wrestled more then a dozen matches last year (at least thats how it feels) He's solid and extremely hard to score on, assuming he is indeed bumping up I see him on the podium this year

    JBB is my darkhorse guy this year he had some good showings last year and I look for him to have improved over the offseason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    Should I turn out to be wrong, I doubt the prediction will be any more mockable than picking Cesar Grajales to make the semi's in the toughest weight class in 10+ years.
    I see you changed your post, young padwan. I see your point, but then, I acknowledged my blatant homerism while making the pick.
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    1) Escobedo
    2) Falck
    3) Nickerson
    4) Donahoe
    5) Precin
    6) Blanc
    7) Sanders
    8) Triggas


    Esco started out great and has gotten better as his four match winning streak over ness last year proved. As far as I know his only loss was to falck last year, and falck was one of the few who even gave him a close match. I like him to repeat

    With his arch-rival out of the picture falcks gotta be breathing a sigh of relief, he was neck and neck with Esco last year, and I believe everyone that beat him besides angel has moved up or graduated (ness, flores, mcknight, gardner). He should be right up there for title contention this year and to be honest I wouldnt be surprised to see him bring it home

    People are going to give me flack for this one, but I just cant slot nickerson in at #1 without even knowing if hes going 125. Last I heard he was up at 133 and 125 was too big of a cut for him. Assuming he does go 25 how is he going to handle having the whole year off because of injury? My dad had to have major shoulder/neck surgery this past year and he could barely lift his arm up by the time his brace was off and he was allowed to start therapy. Nickersons injury might not have been as severe but shoulder/neck surgery is serious serious stuff.

    Donahoe is another big question mark, how will the change of scenery and the loss of elligibility effect him? Him winning a title was a once in a lifetime occurence, and I called at the beginning of last season that he wouldnt win another, but he did have a strong showing throughout the year including a very close series with ness. Falck beat him last year and I believe so did escobedo, and I dont like his chance of repeating his win over nickerdoodles.

    Precin kind of flew under the radar last year but hes improved greatly and gave falck some close matches. I like him to improve slightly on last years finish

    Some people might have forgotten about blanc because he took a redshirt last year, but he was 6th the year before that and I dont think moving to Okie state is going to hurt him in the slightest. I feel confident he'll find the podium this year

    Its hard for me to call an AA for someone I havent seen wrestle on the D1 level, and he did lose to whats his face from d3 last year (1-1 Split). But given his highschool credentials, the fact that Im a Minny Homer, his workout environment (ness, reiter, rivera, ect) and how good his RS year was, I think he places.

    I agree with Jensens about Triggas he showed a lot of potential last year and had a few high profile wins. I would not be surprised in the slightest to see him on the podium this year.

    I really wanted to put robles on here but there are only 8 spots, I think he has a great chance of being a bracket breaker due to his very unusual style, but I'd favor these 8 to AA ahead of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoSt View Post

    I have to question his head at this point, because he clearly has the talent, but he hasnt seemed to have the drive.
    http://www.mndaily.com/2008/03/24/ne...rst-score-1996

    Dustin Schlatter missed most of the season with a hamstring injury, then sprained both his knee and ankle at the Big Ten tournament. His brother, C.P., tore his medial collateral ligament during the season and tore his hamstring during the tournament.

    "Dustin's out there on basically one leg. That kid has so much heart," Reiter said.

    I agree! Neither of the Schlatters had any drive last year...

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