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    Quote Originally Posted by NellieNell125 View Post
    Speaking of making something out of walk-ons. Last year AA's for MIZZOU and three of them were walk-ons or had very minimal scholarship when they started out. Chandler, Marable, and Ellis.
    another fine example
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    Recruits don't mean results. Can you coach them? Cael didn't bring out the full ability in any of the clones last season that is a fact. Believe me, we as ISU fans are excited to have KJ as our coach.

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    I don't really understand why Cael wouldn't have had a long term opportunity at Iowa State. It's not like they were going to show him the door or kick him out any time in the near future.

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    Grapple fan, yes, Cael won 4 state titles at Utah....

    Cael hasn't proven himself as a coach? laughable. Cael hasn't brought out in the best in the ISU wrestlers? Debatable. But as a coach myself, I can tell you that without a doubt, I can take three guys 1. little ability, 2. good ability, and 3. gifted ability, and after four weeks of showing them the very same practice plans....I'm going to end up with 1. doing well, 2. catching on quickly, and 3. finding success. Natural ability cannot be taught, and if Cael is getting recruits with natural gifted abilities, and is able to hone their skills and improve upon their weaknesses, then he is doing himself, the PSU program, The Big Ten, and The Sport of Wrestling a great service.

    If ISU fans are happy with the move, great. PSU is more than happy to take Cael off of your hands. Time will prove who made out on the deal; and I sincerely hope that both programs benefit. This sport needs the infusion of great competition on a national stage. If promoters are smart, they schedule an ISU versus PSU Dual and go all ESPN. Have Dan Gable and a fine color commentator explain what is going on in the match so that people can follow it. Make it fun...promote the living hell out of the match like Dana White would do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badcat View Post
    Grapple fan, yes, Cael won 4 state titles at Utah....

    Cael hasn't proven himself as a coach? laughable. Cael hasn't brought out in the best in the ISU wrestlers? Debatable. But as a coach myself, I can tell you that without a doubt, I can take three guys 1. little ability, 2. good ability, and 3. gifted ability, and after four weeks of showing them the very same practice plans....I'm going to end up with 1. doing well, 2. catching on quickly, and 3. finding success. Natural ability cannot be taught, and if Cael is getting recruits with natural gifted abilities, and is able to hone their skills and improve upon their weaknesses, then he is doing himself, the PSU program, The Big Ten, and The Sport of Wrestling a great service.

    If ISU fans are happy with the move, great. PSU is more than happy to take Cael off of your hands. Time will prove who made out on the deal; and I sincerely hope that both programs benefit. This sport needs the infusion of great competition on a national stage. If promoters are smart, they schedule an ISU versus PSU Dual and go all ESPN. Have Dan Gable and a fine color commentator explain what is going on in the match so that people can follow it. Make it fun...promote the living hell out of the match like Dana White would do.
    Great points.
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    At NCAA Division I level, all these guys have natural ability or they wouldn't be there. This isn't high school. Motivation means more, not less, in Division I.
    I think that Badcat has a point in that both ISU and Penn State should come out winners in this deal. KJ is recruiting some fine talent, too, and ISU will be more competitive, not less, in future years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grapplefan View Post
    At NCAA Division I level, all these guys have natural ability or they wouldn't be there. This isn't high school. Motivation means more, not less, in Division I.
    I think that Badcat has a point in that both ISU and Penn State should come out winners in this deal. KJ is recruiting some fine talent, too, and ISU will be more competitive, not less, in future years.
    Matt Ballwegg and Jordan Burroughs both have natural ability.

    But which one is more likely to be a national champ?

    The one with MORE natural ability.

    If you can't realize that some kids just have MORE than others, I don't know what to tell you. If Cael can get guys like JB over Matt B are all things equal because they both have "natural ability?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Matt Ballwegg and Jordan Burroughs both have natural ability.

    But which one is more likely to be a national champ?

    The one with MORE natural ability.

    If you can't realize that some kids just have MORE than others, I don't know what to tell you. If Cael can get guys like JB over Matt B are all things equal because they both have "natural ability?"
    Exactly my point. If you seriously think that all D1 prospects all have the same natural abilities, then your dilusional. There is a reason why PSU and Iowa were heavily going after the Altons more over any other recruits at their weights. Cael beats Brands in that battle with the war set to begin in two or three years...

    If I had the money I would dedicate the next year in gaining buy-in from the ISU and PSU Athletic Directors and getting this Dual scheduled, and I'd promote this thing like the second coming of our Lord and Savior complete with halos, angels, and trumpets to welcome the audience to a heavenly, soul saving experience.

    Can I get an AMEN!?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badcat View Post
    Exactly my point. If you seriously think that all D1 prospects all have the same natural abilities, then your dilusional. There is a reason why PSU and Iowa were heavily going after the Altons more over any other recruits at their weights. Cael beats Brands in that battle with the war set to begin in two or three years...

    If I had the money I would dedicate the next year in gaining buy-in from the ISU and PSU Athletic Directors and getting this Dual scheduled, and I'd promote this thing like the second coming of our Lord and Savior complete with halos, angels, and trumpets to welcome the audience to a heavenly, soul saving experience.

    Can I get an AMEN!?!?!

    Preach it brother.

    Hopefully ISU will have a decent team to make it interesting.
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