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    My condolences on his passing.

    But he was no friend of wrestling, men's Olympic sports, or any alteration to title ix interpretation that would allow anything but the use of gender quotas for compliance......
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    While it's true he was not for Title IX reform, neither are most of the university presidents. In many cases the NCAA president has little power; he can set agendas, form committees and make proposals but the member university presidents are the ones with all the voting power. And no university president wants to be seen as anti-feminist. If anybody is to deal with Title IX, it has to be Congress (that'll be the day) or the NCAA member schools (which can never agree on anything).

    His big passion was limiting the damage of the college arms race, which I am all for. Brands often spoke of the coming crisis in college sports stemming from $5 million dollar contracts for coaches, $250 million stadiums, etc. When I heard him speak, he called out a "west coast school" (*cough* Oregon *cough*) for its ridiculous expenditures for its locker rooms while at the same time requiring alumni shell out up to $2000 for "donations", or risk losing their football season tickets. (Ironic too, considering he was president at Oregon.) Wonder what he would have said had Oregon killed their wrestling team back then--maybe nothing, but the point still stands.

    RIP Myles.

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    In addition to what lawrestler said, I think he'll be remembered for his attempts to put the student back in student-athlete.

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    This wasn't a statement that endorsed title ix reform. He was mimicking what the WSF wanted him to say.

    "INDIANAPOLIS---The following is a statement from NCAA President Myles Brand regarding the Department of Education?s clarification of Title IX with respect to the use of an e-mail survey to enrolled undergraduate students as a measure of interest in athletics:

    "I am disappointed in the way the Department of Education promulgated its clarification of Title IX regulations with regard to determining the interest level of females in athletics. The department issued its clarification without benefit of public discussion and input.

    "The e-mail survey suggested in the clarification will not provide an adequate indicator of interest among young women to participate in college sports, nor does it encourage young women to participate ? a failure that will likely stymie the growth of women?s athletics and could reverse the progress made over the last three decades. One need only observe the Division I Women?s Basketball Championship that is underway to understand the effect of encouragement for women to participate, the high level of play at which women compete and the public interest in women?s athletics.??

    As for academic reform, the APR system is another attempt by the NCAA to address public perceptions, but which hits equivalency sports such as wrestling especially hard.
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    While I agree Tittle IX needs to change, and Brands wasnt in favor of doing just that, I still don't think it's what's holding back wrestling--IMHO anyway.

    If you look at the top programs in the country (aside from OhSt)--Notre Dame, Texas, Florida, Georgia--those programs don't have wrestling. But it's not for a lack of interest, and with operating budgets of over $100 million, it's not for lack of money either. They could easily afford two sports, wrestling and a woman's sport. They just choose not to.

    Texas had a budget of $120 million last year. They're not spending $120 million on woman's sports, they're spending it on practice football uniforms. The money they spend on woman's basketball is a drop in the bucket, as would be a $900,000 well funded wrestling team. They just to spend that $900,000 elsewhere.

    IMHO if you revised Title IX tomorrow to not include football scholarships or football marketing money, many schools would still choose to not add wrestling. They'd choose to pump more money into their football and basketball programs. Until wrestling fully funds itself, or makes it a must have sport to satisfy the alumni (like baseball at Oregon) then it will continue to languish, IMHO.

    Not to say I wouldn't like it reformed, so the schools that can't afford adding two sports can at least make a choice. But in this day and age, there's never enough money, and wrestling costs money. Anyway this is tangential--sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawrestler View Post
    While I agree Tittle IX needs to change, and Brands wasnt in favor of doing just that, I still don't think it's what's holding back wrestling--IMHO anyway.

    If you look at the top programs in the country (aside from OhSt)--Notre Dame, Texas, Florida, Georgia--those programs don't have wrestling. But it's not for a lack of interest, and with operating budgets of over $100 million, it's not for lack of money either. They could easily afford two sports, wrestling and a woman's sport. They just choose not to.

    Texas had a budget of $120 million last year. They're not spending $120 million on woman's sports, they're spending it on practice football uniforms. The money they spend on woman's basketball is a drop in the bucket, as would be a $900,000 well funded wrestling team. They just to spend that $900,000 elsewhere.

    IMHO if you revised Title IX tomorrow to not include football scholarships or football marketing money, many schools would still choose to not add wrestling. They'd choose to pump more money into their football and basketball programs. Until wrestling fully funds itself, or makes it a must have sport to satisfy the alumni (like baseball at Oregon) then it will continue to languish, IMHO.

    Not to say I wouldn't like it reformed, so the schools that can't afford adding two sports can at least make a choice. But in this day and age, there's never enough money, and wrestling costs money. Anyway this is tangential--sorry.
    Under the current situation, even if wrestling funds itself, it's still at risk under to Title IX. Wrestling is a relatively cheap sport, and if it were only about money, we could work on that. Wrestling may never become a must-have sport in most areas of the country. Nor should we expect it to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grapplefan View Post
    Under the current situation, even if wrestling funds itself, it's still at risk under to Title IX. Wrestling is a relatively cheap sport, and if it were only about money, we could work on that. Wrestling may never become a must-have sport in most areas of the country. Nor should we expect it to.
    Football skews the playing field for all other sports.
    It's true, Title IX does endanger some programs. But I still think money is a huge issue. Look at all the programs dropped recently--Wagner, Delaware State, MIT, Carson Newman, Norwich?all of those wrestling programs were dropped because of money. They could have dropped a woman's program sure, but they can't because of Title IX. But then again, they could have dropped men's tennis or golf too. So why didn't they? Apparently more people cared about tennis than wrestling. Maybe tennis alumni donate more than wrestling, who knows. For whatever reason, wrestling was dropped over another men's program, despite it most likely being more popular at the high school level.

    There's other examples like Fullerton. They recently added men's golf, but the entire program is endowed. Wrestling is not endowed, and may be cut next year if they can't raise the cash. Oregon dropped wrestling, despite publicly stating they didn't do it because of Title IX--they just didn't feel the alumni base cared about wrestling, but they did care about baseball, and they didn't want to fund two programs so dropped wrestling unless it could raise millions.

    Anyway, this is just all my two cents. There are multiple problems, including money, Title IX, and public perception.

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    This thread assumes wrestling is the only men's sport that is cut. That is not the case. All men's sports, including football, are at risk when a strict gender quota is enforced.

    If it were truly about money then fully self-sustaining teams wouldn't be cut. Nor would schools add women's lacrosse at places like Florida, Jacksonville, South Carolina, Oregon, Fresno State, etc.
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