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FloggingSully · 05-13-2008, 12:25 PM

"OK, we're having trouble communicating here. Matclone used large income disparity to say that a country and its economy were in bad shape. I just threw out there that changing to alternative fuels won't change that"
-No, you threw out that Brazil's switch to biofuels wasn't economically feasible, since the country is using mostly biofuels and their economy is improving, I think it stands to reason that biofuels are economically feasible in brazil.

"But, if we want to see what happens during and after that change, all we have to do is look at Brazil. Their entire nation nearly went bankrupt during the switch and now they are using more of a food crop for fuel than they are using for food, so they must import something they grow in higher quantities than anyone else!"
-The country lost money during the switch, but what has happened since than? Brazil's economy is increasing, they have very little dependence on foreign oil, are getting the vast majority of their electric power is from sustainable/renewable sources? Basically they have accomplished a most of the energy goals the US is still trying to reach.
-Brazil's biofuels are based on sugar (not corn like in the US). Sugar may be considered a food crop, but it certainly isn't a staple food, I haven't heard of anyone starving or getting malnurished because they could no longer afford to buy sugar.

"But, thank you for telling us that income disparity is not an economic problem. WAY too many people think it is"
-Show me where I said income disparity isn't an economic problem. You said that Brazil's energy policy wasn't economically feasible because they have huge income disparity, I said that income disparity is only useful in determining the success of a policy if you look at a trend in income disparity. Looking at a snapshot of an economic indicator isn't going to tell you anything about the effectivness of any policy.

"Who is saying people will buy whatever is advertised to them?? You and matclone, among others!!"
-Again, show me where I said anything of the sort.

"Understand that for industry to shape demand, the consumer would have to have absolutely no say in what he buys."
-That is simply false, people can buy whatever they want, but industry can influence what people want to buy, if industry couldn't they wouldn't bother to advertise their products.

"You find what people want and you find ways to tell them they can buy it from you."
-Which increases demand for the product. Read an intro to econ text book, demand increases as people become aware of a product and it becomes more available. If you make people aware of a product, and make it readily available you will increase the demand for that good.

05-13-2008, 12:25 PM	#37 (permalink)
FloggingSully AA Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 732 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	Re: Only the rich will drive everyday "OK, we're having trouble communicating here. Matclone used large income disparity to say that a country and its economy were in bad shape. I just threw out there that changing to alternative fuels won't change that" -No, you threw out that Brazil's switch to biofuels wasn't economically feasible, since the country is using mostly biofuels and their economy is improving, I think it stands to reason that biofuels are economically feasible in brazil. "But, if we want to see what happens during and after that change, all we have to do is look at Brazil. Their entire nation nearly went bankrupt during the switch and now they are using more of a food crop for fuel than they are using for food, so they must import something they grow in higher quantities than anyone else!" -The country lost money during the switch, but what has happened since than? Brazil's economy is increasing, they have very little dependence on foreign oil, are getting the vast majority of their electric power is from sustainable/renewable sources? Basically they have accomplished a most of the energy goals the US is still trying to reach. -Brazil's biofuels are based on sugar (not corn like in the US). Sugar may be considered a food crop, but it certainly isn't a staple food, I haven't heard of anyone starving or getting malnurished because they could no longer afford to buy sugar. "But, thank you for telling us that income disparity is not an economic problem. WAY too many people think it is" -Show me where I said income disparity isn't an economic problem. You said that Brazil's energy policy wasn't economically feasible because they have huge income disparity, I said that income disparity is only useful in determining the success of a policy if you look at a trend in income disparity. Looking at a snapshot of an economic indicator isn't going to tell you anything about the effectivness of any policy. "Who is saying people will buy whatever is advertised to them?? You and matclone, among others!!" -Again, show me where I said anything of the sort. "Understand that for industry to shape demand, the consumer would have to have absolutely no say in what he buys." -That is simply false, people can buy whatever they want, but industry can influence what people want to buy, if industry couldn't they wouldn't bother to advertise their products. "You find what people want and you find ways to tell them they can buy it from you." -Which increases demand for the product. Read an intro to econ text book, demand increases as people become aware of a product and it becomes more available. If you make people aware of a product, and make it readily available you will increase the demand for that good. __________________ There's no such thing as a pretty good aligator wrestler.